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Say anything: More straight talk from the DJ roundtable


DJ Melee: The better the party, the better the vibe, right?

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Eli: I think most of us here probably use some aspects of the new technology in everything we’re doing now. But it’s really to try to push new things and open up new doors.

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DJ Knife: I know that Adidas has embraced DJ culture; they have DJs there every weekend. So, it works for us — I mean, obviously they give us clothes and that’s a good thing. But it is crazy to think that within the last six months we’ve seen five or six specialty sneaker stores pop up in the area. I just don’t know if DJing has anything to do with it, to be honest with you.

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DJ Die Young: DJs are always flashy. Or, some of them, you know? You want to look good; you want to get noticed.

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Eli: I feel like that connection between fashion and DJing has gotten stronger and stronger, and that retail stores want to have DJs because it helps increase the atmosphere, it helps make their branding more exciting, and for us it’s exciting because we can match our music with whatever style the store is trying to go for.

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DJ Die Young: We had a party at Make It New; this guy was coming up asking us to play “Texas House.” I don’t know what Texas House is. He was so mad at us, and then I was like, “Dude, if you don’t like what’s playing, just leave.” I see him a half an hour later standing on a chair, like, “Yeah!” We didn’t play Texas house; we didn’t play anything Texas. But we just kept him there.

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DJ Bruno:
When I first started, if I were to play a single hip-hop song, I would’ve been fired, okay? Because being black here is like, people have a stigma. You are going to play hip-hop only. Me, I love everything. I play hip-hop, reggae, R&B, house, rock, ’80s, ’70s, the whole nine. If it works, I will play it. But, it’s just that now, the big thing is hip-hop.

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DJ Bruno: I will say this: everything now is starting to change. Everyone is tired of just hearing rap. Everyone is tired of just hearing house. They want to hear everything now, you know? So I think it’s slowly starting to change, but it’s going to take a while.

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DJ Bruno: I just think that ever since the Euro students showed up, that changed everything. That changed the whole scene. Because, then, it was just about money. ’Cause they would come in and buy the magnum bottles of Champagne, you know?

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Eli: Before there were blogs and Internet message boards, it was like, there were e-mail lists that you could be invited to or sign up for and basically talk to each other. Boston Parties was an old one. And it was just shit-talking all the time. But that hadn’t happened for years. So now I feel like people care a lot again.

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DJ Bruno: Boston doesn’t have its own sound, but, at the same time, Boston is such a small city. Everybody knows everybody; everybody knows everyone’s business. I remember guys fighting over guys handing out flyers in front of clubs. It’s such a small scene. Everybody just needs to work together. Here, I just don’t see everybody working for the same goals.

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DJ Knife: I think that this is probably an obvious statement, but where the DJ culture is heading in Boston is dependent on technology and the music industry, and I think that basically, within five or six years, CDs might be obsolete, and technology will change. Ultimately we’ll see the death of vinyl — not that we haven’t already seen it, limping into its grave right now.

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Charlie: I’ve got something to get off my chest. I want to go on record as saying: raves, raving, rave party, raves, let’s go to a rave, let’s throw a rave, raving, nouveau rave, raving.

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DJ Bruno: I stopped drinking, but I never did drugs. I was just vibing off of the music. I never smoked or did anything.

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Eli: Yes, it’s impossible to deny that drugs are a part of dance music culture, but you know, there’s a lot of people that go out because they want to dance.

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April 11, 2008 5:05 PM
Rico Soiree said:

DJs are like chefs with no taste buds. They are blind folks trying to drive formula-1 cars. That is, they lack an essential key to their trade: A sense of acoustics.

They play music at just one level: TEL (Too Effing Loud). They never take decibel meter readings on the dance floor (Try being a professional photographer an not take light-meter readings!). Apparently conversation is not allowed in clubs. Certainly DJs never leave their booths to see how music actually sounds on dance floors. They don't "get" that bodies absorb sound, but other surfaces reflect same.

Things won't change until owners get sued by patrons who've lost hearing and/or the health department/cops visit. Until then DJs will remain arrogant, isolated in their booths, thinking they are stars instead of enhancers of patrons' experiences (which they obviously disdain).

April 13, 2008 12:50 AM
Steve said:

IMHO:

A nightclub is place where people gather to dance, and with this is an expectation the sound will be loud, the lights intense and the sub harmonics orgasmic.  There is no such things as “too loud”, unless of course you are placed in a situation where there is not enough bass complimenting the stack of mid range speakers but I will not get into that.  As stated by the above commenter is seems logical and easy to speak to the shortfalls of a dance club, primarily how they are too loud.  This is understandable because it is a dance club where people go to dance and not play Bingo.  If a balance of conversation and dancing is desired we have the world of lounges, (or ultra-lounges if you prefer) which are suitable alternatives for those who are concerned about decibel readings.

It is easy to point blame and threaten the ever so common day lawsuit against club owners, why not? Its America right?  A better alternative would be to not attend nightclubs where the sound is “too loud”.  The last time I checked the ADJA (American DJ Association) was not kicking your door down forcing you to patronize these clubs.   If it is simply too loud then don’t attend, if you don’t think this is fair then possibly open your own nightclub (or lounge) to which your personal beliefs on how the club should be run can be meticulously overseen by only you.

April 14, 2008 9:13 PM
Mr. Sound Degree said:

I smell a Freshman that just got of of Audio Technology I. Todays Class will feature: SOUND METERS and Db Levels.

When did it ever become the responsiblity of the "Performer" to take Db readings? I thought that was your job Mr.Rico Soiree Soundman.

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May 22, 2008 7:51 AM
Rico Soiree said:

Steve wrote:

> A nightclub is place where people gather to dance...

I agree.

> with this is an expectation the sound will be loud, the

> lights intense and the sub harmonics orgasmic.

Non sequitur. Like saying diners are places where people go to eat; therefore they expect greasy food, lousy service, and an inch of salt on plates. You also assume the conclusion.

What polls have clubs conducted? What focus groups did they queried? What doctors and noise ordinances did they consult?

> There is no such things as “too loud”...

Nonsense. Here are some comparative sound levels and how long they take to damage hearing:

• Military jet, air raid siren, shotgun:  (130 DB)  3.75 minutes

• Car horn, propeller aircraft:               (130 DB)   7.5 minutes

• Typical night club:                                (110 DB)  30 minutes

> ...dance club...how they are too loud...

> people go to dance and not play Bingo.

People like barbecues, too. That doesn't mean they "like" tainted meat, even if they eat it, not being bacteriologists. The public is not as informed as experts. They once thought it okay to look at their feet through x-ray machines in 5&dime stores, too. So they trust professionals to do right by them.

> If a balance of conversation and dancing

> is desired we have the world of lounges...”

They, also, are often too loud.  

Besides, that advice ducks the question: How loud IS "healthy" in dance clubs?

You'd think, as a matter of professional pride, that DJs would want to know. Yet I bet there is no requirement for them to have even their own hearing tested. So how professional can their organizations be? They seem like medical societies who once dubbed barbers " surgeons."

The issue is not dancers liking music. It's whether the music they hear jeopardizes their health. Many people "like" bottled water. Most don’t know that, being unregulated, such water contains higher levels of heavy metals and impurities than municipal supplies allow. Plus, lacking fluoride, it promotes cavities (Which dentists love: Kid raised with perfect teeth now have dental decay after paying exorbitant prices for the most abundant resource on earth: Water!).

Watch-dog agencies arose to  protect the public from services/products/venues that can harm them.

> the ever so common day lawsuit against club owners...

Few clubs get sued, Plus why assume people always sue without cause?

If you asked the owners of the Rhode Island STATION club pre-fire, they’d have insisted patrons don’t mind indoor fireworks. After all, they'd had them before and no one complained.

Regulations exist for a reason, even if some are excessive. The intent is to protect the public. That most people, particularly club owners and Djs, think noise is harmless is not only wrong, it's dangerous. Ask any audiologist.

> A better alternative would be to not attend

> nightclubs where the sound is “too loud”.

Again, that avoids the problem. Telling Blacks not to attend venues that didn't welcome them didn't address racism. If clubs posted their average dB levels, and explained the harm that could be done, that would be different. People could then make an informed decision.

> The last time I checked the ADJA (American DJ Association) was not

> kicking your door down forcing you to patronize these clubs.

Irrelevant. Plus I doubt the ADJA ever forces anyone to attend clubs. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be concerned about damage DJs do to hearing.

Venues can't serve toxic drinks even if unsuspecting people might buy them. What’s more, all alcohol bottles now must have warning labels. Distributors can’t simply say, "Buyer Beware!" They have to MAKE buyers aware. That's why they create PSAs alerting the public to the dangers of over-consumption, etc. They can't pretend alcohol poses no danger.

So…does the ADJA fund PSAs alerting people to the danger of too-loud clubs?

Clubs should follow the Hippocratic Oath: "First, do no harm."

> If it is simply too loud then don’t attend...

Think any judge EVER rules that way? They fine clubs that damage hearing. Period. They don't care if club owners "think" sound is harmless. They don’t buy Djs arrogantly telling consumers to go elsewhere. Judges fine them both, just like they do "professional" photographers who harm patrons' sight with too-bright flashes, even if they said they should have gone elsewhere.

If no damage is done by too-loud music, why have meters at all? I doubt DJs playing at Gallaudet College have or use them.

If excessive sound didn't harm hearing, I'd agree with DJs. But it DOES damage. That's not opinion or sociology. It's scientific fact. Excessive noise damages ears and adversely affects mental states (which is why music blared at POWs is considered torture). The following is from the website: www.hearingconcern.org.uk/.../FS_NoiseDam.pdf

“If  you have to shout or raise your voice to be heard by someone two meters away or if your ears are ringing when you finish work, you should find out if this has been done. The levels of exposure to noise at which action is to

be taken are:

• First Action Level: A daily personal noise exposure of 80 dB (A)

• Second Action Level: A daily personal noise exposure of 85 dB (A)”

Most nightclubs, remember, are 120dB or more.

Sound also affects blood pressure: "A noise of 35 decibels or more -- roughly equivalent to...loud snoring -- was associated with an average 6.2 increase in systolic blood pressure...; the louder the noise, the greater the increase."

ÿ Mr. Sound Degree said:  When did it ever become the

ÿ >responsibility of the "Performer" to take Db readings?

When they claimed to be pros.

A true sound professional doesn't just choose songs and know his/her equipment. S/he also is concerned about the level at which sound gets played. Just like a good chef not only knows his kitchen tools and produce/meats/etc., he know healthy ways to prepare, serve, and preserve food. He doesn't think it the responsibility of patrons to know if the food he serves is safe.

Lay people don't know as much as professionals. That's why we hire inspectors. Uninformed, unsuspecting patrons WILL go to restaurants that are unsanitary. They don't know the facts. Inspectors do. That’s why they don’t accept owners telling them all is okay because patrons don’t go elsewhere, that they like under-refrigerated food.

From what I've read here, DJs will never regulate themselves. Nor will their societies and/or club owners. They will all have to be sued into compliance. Just like tobacco companies, who once claimed smoking was not only cool, but healthy. Now we all know better (though tobacco companies will never admit it.). External regulations ensued after internal ones were eschewed.

So-called "sound professionals" refuse to admit they do harm. Insulated from audiences in booths, wearing headphones, thinking they are gods instead of ambience providers, they bob their head like sonic beelzebubs. Unreachable.

You'd think they'd have learned from rock bands whose members now wear hearing aids.

May 22, 2008 3:55 PM

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